In the second episode of the Learning Curve podcast series, Juliet Parker meets Ahmad Kazouini, water & habitat coordinator for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), Somalia, and Andy Wheatley, ICRC's African regional anticipatory action advisor. It is surprising that the humanitarian sector is still struggling to make a step change in mainstream practices when there is such a substantial body of evidence supporting anticipatory action? Additionally, Juliet asks Andy and Ahmad about their experiences responding to the Somalia floods caused by El Nino.